Incurring Annoying Non-Chase ATM Fees, $2.50 At A Time
I recently found myself at a cash only bar, ready to enjoy myself a non-alchy beer or two, but without a greenback on me. As there was no Chase Bank in this largely residential neighborhood, I had no choice but to hit the 1980s style ATM in the corner of the bar. When I whipped out my debit card to withdraw some cash, I noticed that this particular ATM carried a few of $3.50. Annoying, but that was my price to pay for the poor planning. In the world of Square pay and blockchain technology, those cockroach ATM fees somehow persist as a relic to a simpler time. I tend to begrudgingly accept the consequence of the $3.50 “convenience” fee, but the Non-Chase ATM fee that comes later? That’s a bridge too far for me.
I have never been able to accept this additional $2.50 charge that Chase bank bestows upon me. It had been so long since I’d used a non-Chase ATM—because I force myself not to pay the stupidest of stupid fees in all of feeland—that I had forgotten entirely about these bonus $2.50 Non-Chase ATM fees.
Ruining Customer Relations, $2.50 at a time
Mitch Hedburg says that wearing a turtleneck is like being strangled by a really weak guy all day. Incurring additional $2.50 ATM fees is sort of like that. They are so small and so insignificant as to be barely perceptible. Especially if you only encounter them a handful of times a year. But after years of accumulating these sporadic fees, the really weak dude starts to hinder your breathing ever so slightly. Not enough to stop you from getting oxygen to your lungs, but enough to make you stop and think about the rhythm of your breaths. Enough to notice the abnormality of the occurrence.
Because of that, one can rightly conclude that the only true purpose of these $2.50 fees is to piss off an otherwise loyal customer base a handful of times a year. That’s just good business. Annoy the customer at every opportunity.
In The Simple Path to Wealth, JL Collins speaks of the importance of saving to collect F-You money that affords you flexibility in your life decisions. For Chase, it’s important to tack on F-You fees, lest the customer get too comfortable with committing atrocities such as withdrawing their own money at the only ATM within jogging distance.
Non-Chase ATM fees shall never be waived
Being a personal finance snob, and kind of an asshole, I finally decided I was fed up with these $2.50 non-Chase ATM fees. Plenty of banks go about their business without needlessly penalizing their customers for simply trying to contribute to the recovering American economy. In fact at many banks, far from incurring additional penalties, customers are granted a handful of transactions each year in which their ATM fees are reimbursed rather than compounded.
Surely J.P. Morgan Chase would understand and forgive a long time customer for their immediate need for cash (and booze) and waive this F-You Fee.
I tried to call and reverse this charge, and was met with a resistance often found with powerless customer service reps who have no skin in the game. After that failed, I did what any modern citizen in my position would do: I slid into the social media DMs. My Chase Support rep on Twitter was responsive but largely unhelpful, other than to point me to their checking accounts that charge an annual fee themselves. Clearly, the answer to my disdain for fees was to pay larger, more regularly scheduled fees. As I was told, Non-Chase ATM fees are not eligible for a courtesy reversal.
The Chase Premier Plus Checking does not charge this fee for the first four non-Chase ATM transactions each statement period, but requires an average beginning day balance of $15,000 (more than I want in my checking account) or a mortgage in order to waive the $25 monthly fee. The Chase Sapphire Checking never charges a non-Chase ATM fee, but requires a $75,000 balance. Also slightly more than I want to keep in checking.
Alternative checking account options
This most recent experience convinced me to finally move my checking account. I’ve been a Chase customer for over a decade–and in fact have multiple credit cards through them. I will continue to hold their cards, as the Ultimate Rewards program is one of the best out there. But as for my checking account, simply put, Chase was unwillingness to meet my $2.50 asking price.
Ramit Sethi highly recommends Charles Schwab’s checking account in his book, I Will Teach You To Be Rich, so I’ll start there. To be fair, he does list Chase in his list of best checking accounts. For the most part, I’d agree. But for these $2.50 F-You Fees.
Chase likely makes millions of dollars per year on these ridiculous additional non-Chase ATM fees. But is it really worth the angst it causes in customers? Not to mention a scathing review from an obscure personal finance blog? Yeah, probably. Like I said, they make millions per year on them. But in the rare event that customer retention is a priority, it seems like a losing long-term proposition for the massive corporation.
I’ve been traveling Latin America for the past 2 months and have has to use the ATM about twice a week since then. I had to use it twice yesterday to pull out $400 for a motorcycle rental. Each time, I’m charged a $5 non chase ATM fee. It’s quite infuriating, especially after already losing a few dollars to the ATM, and possibly a couple more to the exchange rate. (Now I know to decline the ATMs exchange rate though). I have to have spent about $100 in total so far just on chases atm fee. I have tens of thousands of dollars in my chase savings as well, which they are paying me almost no interest on while they collect several percent a year on it themselves. I think I’m done with chase. I already moved most of my savings to CIT bank where I’m getting about 5% interest. It’s just hard to get a new debit card when you’re traveling around. Anyways… thanks for letting me vent, and screw you Chase.
Very much agree with this unnecessary annoyance from Chase! I am a huge fan of the Charles Schwab account that I now utilize for this purpose–I pretty much just keep $1,000 in there for the sole purpose of ATM withdrawals. That said, they do pay some interest, so it might behoove me to move more over there. If you’re talking about tens of thousands of dollars I would certainly consider moving that to a high interest savings account of some sort rather than forfeiting all of that purchasing power at Chase. Thanks for reading and venting!
Thanks for venting about this absurd practice! I think I will take your advice and check out the checking account at Charles Schwab.
Glad to hear it! In hindsight, the Schwab account is a no-brainer. Eliminating the infuriating fees is really a bigger boon to mental health than financial health. It’s truly a ridiculous practice from a Chase customer service perspective, but they must bilk enough customers to consider it worth the hit in satisfaction.
I feel ya. I took my dogs to the groomer and she only takes cash or checks did not have any. I have Apple Pay and PayPal which my groomer had but she forgot her password 🥺. For the first time i used a non chase ATM and was hit with fees by Chase $3. I was very upset, it’s not the amount of money they take but the broad daylight taking of their loyal customers money😡. I really started looking around for options too, I’m very very upset
There is something about it that is just so unbecoming of a company that I do the majority of my day-to-day banking with. I took Ramit’s advice (with a push from Adam @ Brewing Fire) and opened a Charles Schwab checking account specifically for ATM withdrawals. Not only do they not charge a “screw you” fee, but they also reimburse the ATM fees themselves!
Credit unions usually only charge for the atm fee and non for them. Is the chase accounts you listed above also included with investments?
I have a credit Union and the account they switched me to I think they pay all out of network fees. My bank BAC also does the same because I’m a preferred customer so all of those fees are waived and the first time I seen the extra charge I was shocked but relieved they refunded it. So I think I’m covered any way you slice it.
Just a regular Chase checking account for me that I’ve mostly held out of laziness. Haven’t really had reason to change other than these stupid ATM fees that annoy me to no end.
I’ve noticed that where I live there are basically no “cash only” places left (thanks to the pandemic). Which is nice because I don’t have to worry about cash withdrawals anymore.
Square & Apple pay make it so easy for a lot of these small businesses, which is great for the credit card point collectors like myself!
Have you looked at N26? I opened an account when I moved overseas because it’s the easiest way to open a bank account outside of the US, but it appears that they service US customers as well. It’s all online, and I get two “out of network” ATM withdrawals for free every month. Their website reads like a response to this post. What’s crazy is that when I do withdraw cash, the app sends me a notification within a split second – which seems like higher-tech technology than any brick-and-mortar bank I’ve used. Anyways, not sure it’ll work for your needs, but it’s worth a look at least.
I haven’t! I like the idea of having a bank in Germany. Two out of network ATM usages per month would be on the high side for me so this could be a great option. Thanks for passing along!
I suffer from these fees from time to time. If it gets to the point of needing an ATM, I’m idiotically more than willing to victim blame myself for poor planning, and just eat the fees as a form of penance for my sins. I use the most hated bank of all (WF) for the last two decades, but I admit I’m too lazy to go through the process of jumping ship even though I dislike their shady ways. I will say they’ve waived a bunch of fees for me over the years, not atm fees though.
I definitely do the victim blaming on the ATM fee itself, but the extra kick while I’m down by Chase is just uncalled for!
I have heard only bad things about WF haha. I hear you though on the laziness/convenience factor.
I was going to recommend Schwab, but Ramit beat me to it. I actually signed up for a Schwab account roughly 12 years ago, completely forgot about it, and was reminded when I read “I Will Teach You to be Rich.” I promptly dug out the card, and I keep it in my wallet now for the rare occasion that I need to hit an ATM.
If for no other reason than to avoid ATM fees (which is pretty much my entire reasoning), it seems like that’s the likely winner for me. Glad to hear a real-life testimonial!
I’m fortunate that my wife is military so we have USAA. They reimburse all the fees since they don’t operate their network of ATMs. I don’t use ATMs much because, as you say, it’s old technology. Used one last month and my 8-year-old said, so that’s how this machine works.
It occurred me that I really only get cash about 6 times a year and it’s usually when my kids are at school when I run errands.
I tried joining USAA for car insurance based on a loose family connection but alas, I did not qualify. Seems like they are the best of everything. It is bizarre to me how infrequently I carry cash–gotta rack up those credit card points instead!
Thanks for the post. I’d suggest using Fidelity’s CMA for atm-free access anywhere. We used the card in Spain without paying any fees beyond currency conversion. Also, I’d be super careful about ATM machines in bars and other retail locations. In my mind, too much risk of there being a card skimmer or worse. I’d trust a big bank to be more vigilante about the safety of their machines.
Hattip to Frugal Professor for the Fidelity CMA tip.
This looks like a great option–thanks for passing along!
I definitely don’t make a habit of using these types of machines–mostly incentivized by the freaking $2.50 fees. To their credit, Chase does have pretty good fraud protection should something happen.